catholic church "birthed" the bible
Fourth session: decree concerning the canonical scriptures:
“If anyone does not accept as sacred and canonical the aforesaid books in their entirety and with all their parts
[the 66 books of the Bible plus 12 apocryphal books, being two of Paralipomenon, two of Esdras, Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, Sophonias, two of Macabees], as they have been accustomed to be read in the Catholic Church and as they are contained in the old Latin Vulgate Edition, and knowingly and deliberately rejects the aforesaid traditions,
LET HIM BE ANATHEMA.”
“Naked Truth“… patrick j miron---Catholic responses to the Booklet:
“Answers to my Catholic Friends”
by Thomas F. Heinze Part 2
A Catholic reply to Protestant “[mis]- Understandings”
Part 2
“Do the Bread and Wine Become Christ Body and Blood”?
My dear friends in Christ,
Allow me to please set a platform for this part of the discussion. I do not exaggerate one iota when I claim that this topic, while wrongly understood, is nevertheless a well thought out and formulated thesis.
all scripture is a matter of one's personal interpretation
It is draconian in nature because it attempts to place a STAKE into the very heart, body, mind and soul of the entirety of our Catholic beliefs.
If one is unable to defend this issue, of Christ “Real Presence, one is unable to defend Catholism in total.
They win; we lose! …WHY?
CCC 1324 “The Eucharist is “the source and summit of the Christian life.”
“The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it.
For in the blessed Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good of the Church, namely Christ himself, our Pasch.” [Sacrifice]
CCC 1074 “The liturgy is the summit toward which the activity of the Church is directed; it is also the font from which all her power flows.”
It is therefore the privileged place for catechizing the People of God. “Catechesis is intrinsically linked with the whole of liturgical and sacramental activity, for it is in the sacraments, especially in the Eucharist, that Christ Jesus works in fullness for the transformation of men.”
Catholics Reply:
I shall include my comments directly under his, comments, in order to make it an easy reference to each specific point that Thomas has raised. This is indeed a well thought out position.
all scripture is a matter of one's personal interpretation
BUT is proves clearly and without discussion that it is based ONLY on only human logic.
DElusional commentary of patrick j miron
No credit is given to Jesus as a all- Good-God; able to do ANY GOOD THING.
If in FACT, the Catholic position is correct; then this becomes the GREATEST POSSIBLE GOOD in the entire history of the Universe
I’m finding it beneficial to keep reminding myself that Thomas too, like us is a Baptized Christian. A Brother in Christ, and that this is not a direct assault on us personally. It is evident the he loves, and in his own way is serving God.
It is also evident that my understanding of God limiting Protestant understanding is too correct.
While the arguments are well thought out, and a bit different than the normal Protestant explanation; based on
John 6: selected verses; 35-69, there clearly is lacking the depth of understanding of God’s very Nature and the precise reason for human existence and how they necessarily relate as expressed within the Bible itself. God’s basis for imposing such a penalty is::
Matt. 25: 27-29 …“So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. … For to every one who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away” All those who are “given more “ [Baptized], will be held to a far more critical evaluation by God., as the Holy Spirit is AVAILABLE to them for guidance.
1st. Cor. 11:23-29 “For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord.Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself”
Because we can safely assume that Mr. Heinze does not accept this Catholic teaching, rather than detail the specifics in detail; I will instead simply supply his arguments against and denying the reality of Christ Real Presence and then respond to each of them.
But first here is a Catholic Response to this Catholic belief and practice.
The Eucharist; explained by Catholics
Thirteenth session, canons on the most holy sacrament of the Eucharist:
· “If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it only as in a sign, or figure or force,
LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist, Canon 1).
· “If anyone says that Christ received in the Eucharist is received spiritually only and not also sacramentally and really, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist, Canon 8).
I AM Catholic, by Pat Miron
Mark.12: 24“Jesus said to them, “Is not this why you are wrong, that you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God?”
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