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Brian bites special boy.patrick j miron how to discover truth -- how is one to know “the truth” if we are both “inspired by the Holy Spirit.
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This was in reply to a Catholic who asked
how is one to know “the truth” if we are both “inspired by the Holy Spirit.
In that the Holy Spirit is God and therefore cannot lie, I offered the following.
The fact is friends,
give clear and indisputable evidence that they are NOT GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT
[in relation to understanding what the bible actually say’s. INDEED, there position on
may well be the GREATEST PARADOX in the history of the world!
They take from the bible what is literal and choose to translate it and then turn around and take one single verse [ Jn. 6:63] which requires PROPER translation literally
. Simply ASTOUNDING!
This is the explanation from Haydock’s Catholic Commentary on v. 63
Points out that Our Lord say’s specifically, “My Flesh” NEVER does he say “The Flesh.”
What we receive is the now Risen and Glorified Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, of Jesus
“The flesh profits nothing, not even the flesh of our Savior Christ if it were not connected to the Divinity of Jesus Christ.”
v. 63 properly understood is saying that actual human flesh has
NO SPITITUAL BENEFIT.
BUT it is the Glorified and Risen Christ that Catholics consume. The New Creation of Christ Incarnate!
John v. 63 “it is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.”
Despite the exceeding clear and [for Protestants, painfully specific] words of
A Perfect “all-Wise, all-Knowing” God, incapable of error! They freely choose to hold to the position that “God does not mean what He clearly, repeatedly SAID, which in AFFIRMED by EACH AND EVERY NT author [who too are made to “not understand what Christ is saying“,
despite the FACT that [except for John, who was burned in a boiling oil, but miraculously survived] actually
GAVE THERE VERY LIFES IF BELIEF of the Dogma of the CC.
[B] Matt. 26 to 28:[/B] 26 "Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; [U] this is my body." [/U] And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, "Drink of it, all of you; [U] for this is my blood[/U] of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
[B] Mk. 14: 22- 24[/B] "And as they were eating, he took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them, and said, "Take; [U] this is my body." [/U] And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it. And he said to them, "[U] This is my blood [/U] of the covenant, which is poured out for many."
[B] Lk. 22: 19 to 21[/B] "And he took bread, and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying, "[U] This is my body [/U] which is given for you.[U] Do this in remembrance of me." [/U][20] And likewise the cup after supper, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you [U]I s the new covenant in my blood[/U]."
[B] John 6: 41
The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven."
I say to you, he who believes has eternal life"
v. 51"I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
v. 52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
v. 53 "So Jesus said to them,
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
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This was in reply to a Catholic who asked
how is one to know “the truth” if we are both “inspired by the Holy Spirit.
In that the Holy Spirit is God and therefore cannot lie, I offered the following.
The fact is friends,
that the Protestant’s in Obstinate disbelief of the Real Presence
give clear and indisputable evidence that they are NOT GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT
[in relation to understanding what the bible actually say’s. INDEED, there position on
“The Real Presence of Christ in Holy Communion,”
may well be the GREATEST PARADOX in the history of the world!
They take from the bible what is literal and choose to translate it and then turn around and take one single verse [ Jn. 6:63] which requires PROPER translation literally
. Simply ASTOUNDING!
This is the explanation from Haydock’s Catholic Commentary on v. 63
Points out that Our Lord say’s specifically, “My Flesh” NEVER does he say “The Flesh.”
What we receive is the now Risen and Glorified Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, of Jesus
“The flesh profits nothing, not even the flesh of our Savior Christ if it were not connected to the Divinity of Jesus Christ.”
v. 63 properly understood is saying that actual human flesh has
NO SPITITUAL BENEFIT.
BUT it is the Glorified and Risen Christ that Catholics consume. The New Creation of Christ Incarnate!
John v. 63 “it is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.”
Despite the exceeding clear and [for Protestants, painfully specific] words of
A Perfect “all-Wise, all-Knowing” God, incapable of error! They freely choose to hold to the position that “God does not mean what He clearly, repeatedly SAID, which in AFFIRMED by EACH AND EVERY NT author [who too are made to “not understand what Christ is saying“,
despite the FACT that [except for John, who was burned in a boiling oil, but miraculously survived] actually
GAVE THERE VERY LIFES IF BELIEF of the Dogma of the CC.
[B] Matt. 26 to 28:[/B] 26 "Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; [U] this is my body." [/U] And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, "Drink of it, all of you; [U] for this is my blood[/U] of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
[B] Mk. 14: 22- 24[/B] "And as they were eating, he took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them, and said, "Take; [U] this is my body." [/U] And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it. And he said to them, "[U] This is my blood [/U] of the covenant, which is poured out for many."
[B] Lk. 22: 19 to 21[/B] "And he took bread, and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying, "[U] This is my body [/U] which is given for you.[U] Do this in remembrance of me." [/U][20] And likewise the cup after supper, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you [U]I s the new covenant in my blood[/U]."
[B] John 6: 41
The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven."
I say to you, he who believes has eternal life"
v. 51"I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
v. 52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
v. 53 "So Jesus said to them,
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. /COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/I][/B]
[EVEN GOD, CHRIST CAN'T BE MORE SPECIFIC AND CLEAR !
v. 56 "He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him."
v. 56 "He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him."
[PRECISLY what happens in Catholic Holy Communion!]
And then "many disciples left Him! Jesus did NOT call them back. OPPS!![]()
I didn't mean that. NO He turned to the Apostles and asked do you wish to desert me too? Thy said NO! Knowing exactly, because He is God, and able to do any GOOD thing!
1Cor.11: 23 - 29 "[U] For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread,[/U] and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "[B][U] This is my body which is for you.[/U][/B] [B] Do this in remembrance of me." [/B] In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the [B][U] new covenant in my blood.[/U][/B] Do this, as often as you drink [B] it, in remembrance of me." [/B][26] For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. [COLOR="Red"][B][I]
And then "many disciples left Him! Jesus did NOT call them back. OPPS!
1Cor.11: 23 - 29 "[U] For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread,[/U] and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "[B][U] This is my body which is for you.[/U][/B] [B] Do this in remembrance of me." [/B] In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the [B][U] new covenant in my blood.[/U][/B] Do this, as often as you drink [B] it, in remembrance of me." [/B][26] For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. [COLOR="Red"][B][I]
Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. [/I][/B][/COLOR] In ORDER for one to "PROFANE" "the Body and Blood of our Lord
patrick j miron miss-understanding of scripture
[Paul here is speaking of the Consecrated Bread and Wine]
They MUST BE the Real Glorified Body and Blood of Christ!
THEY CANNOT BE just signs and symbols..
An IMPOSSIBLITY!
Love and prayers,
Pat
Love and prayers,
Pat
patrick j miron--Deception-- because you told me to-- the singular keys to the kingdom
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Isaiah 55:8 -9 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways, says the LORD.
as the Holy Spirit is AVAILABLE to them for guidance.
A Catholic reply to Protestant “[mis]- Understandings” Part 1
“I Am Catholic” by Pat Miron
Isaiah 55:8 -9 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways, says the LORD.
What became immediately apparent is the sincerity of the positions held by Mr. Heinze., and his evident desire to be factual and true. Which only affirms my own opinion that God Himself has a role in these well-intended Protestant positions which , nevertheless, reflect serious-errant misunderstandings of Catholic Doctrines and Dogma, along with an in ability to separate “church-practices,” which can change, from doctrine and dogma which cannot be changed.
God Himself limits their ability to understand the bible by imposing upon them the plague of Ignorance.
27 While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. 28 He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. 29 So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”
30 Cornelius answered: “Three days ago I was in my house praying at this hour, at three in the afternoon. Suddenly a man in shining clothes stood before me 31 and said, ‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor. 32 Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He is a guest in the home of Simon the tanner, who lives by the sea.’ 33 So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”
34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.
46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.
Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.
They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
30 Cornelius answered: “Three days ago I was in my house praying at this hour, at three in the afternoon. Suddenly a man in shining clothes stood before me 31 and said, ‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor. 32 Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He is a guest in the home of Simon the tanner, who lives by the sea.’ 33 So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”
34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.
46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.
Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.
They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”
48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
False doctrine of patrick j miron
Acts.20: 28 “Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God [SINGULAR--CC] which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
Matt. 25: 27-29 …“So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. …
For to every one who has will more be given,
and he will have abundance;
but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away”
All those who are “given more “ [Baptized in the CC], will be held to a far more critical evaluation by God.,
1Tim. 3: 15 “if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the [SINGULAR] household of God, which is the church [SINGULAR] of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth [SINGULAR]”
1 John 4: 4-9 “Little children, you are of God, and have overcome them; for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are of the world, therefore what they say is of the world, and the world listens to them. We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.”
Eph.3: 9 to 12 “And to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things; that through the church [SINGULAR: meaning THE CATHOLIC Church] the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places. This was according to the eternal purpose which he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and confidence of access through our faith in him”
Matt.13:9-12 “He who has ears, let him hear." Then the disciples came and said to him, "Why do you speak to them in parables?" And he answered them, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.” For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. “
Having identified the underlying cause of the problem as an apparent inability to consistently understand correctly and fully, the Written Words of God, I am now obligated to explain just why it happens. The underlying cause is a God imposed penalty for NOT doing what He say’s and NOT fully following ALL of His teachings, as will be clearly demonstrated. Exactly how God accomplishes this remains a mystery. The fact that He is behind it, is not.
At first I thought it might be intentional; but have come to understand that it is God who limits their understanding; making it still possible, but far more difficult for them to uncover and discover God’s Fullness of Truth. It’s a battle between Pride and Humility; Good and Evil; Partial truths and the Fullness of Gods Own Truth.
This “hidden messages” is God’s way of formulating a particular cross for non-Catholics to carry.
Because God can ONLY be a “Good and Fair” God [anything less would deny His Divinity], this burden is imposed to make clear His displeasure with what is going on, and the fact that never once in the entire Bible, did or has God permitted a belief in more than one God [Triune], or more than Only One set of Faith-beliefs, or ever guide, guard and protect more than one “church” [or one chosen people.] This FACT alone ought to put everyone on the “same page.”
patrick j miron - Kung Fu Master--the singular truth -- deception is easy
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patrick j miron delusional opinion #787
While Satan can cause UNNATURAL phenomenon to happen;
1.Patrick j miron opinion # 4123
Only Peter and the CC through him have been GRANTED the “keys”
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... said John, 'we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, ...
"Do not stop that man from casting our demons," Jesus said. ... So here was an anonymous man labouring in the name of Christ, a true disciple, and he ... Paul wrote these words, "It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry ...
the keys were for everyone--
Now -----Continuing with the Patrick j miron commentary-------------------
ED. Note-
todays roman catholic church is not the same as the church Paul or James or math, mark or John wrote of in the bible , or Acts or that matter.
a big change was in 325 ad- when constantine took over the church.
Constantine the Great (Latin: Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus Augustus;[3] c. 27 February 272[2] – 22 May 337), also known as Constantine I or Saint Constantine,[4] was Roman Emperor from 306 to 337. Well known for being the first Roman emperor to convert to Christianity,[
Now on with -- other erroneous facts and presentation with patrick j Miron
7. The NT alone provides more than One HUNDRED proofs of Only One God; Only His One set of beliefs, in and through His only One Catholic Church. And YES, I can provide the list.
Protestant Theology & Catholic Doctrines
Exposed to cover & discover the “Naked Truth“...
Catholic responses to the Booklet:
“Answers to my Catholic Friends” by Thomas F. Heinze … Part 5b
A Catholic reply to Protestant “[mis]- Understandings” Part 5b
DEVIDED INTO 3 SEPARATE LESSONS
A friendly word of caution to our non-Catholic friends
(Ed-note-)
patrick j miron might do some research and discover who the people that ST- Paul was talking about. as to who were these false apostles? ) --
{instead of extrapolating that scripture more than 1,500 years later}
romans 8;14-16-The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God.
(Ed-note-)
patrick j miron might do some research and discover who the people that ST- Paul was talking about. as to who were these false apostles? ) --
{instead of extrapolating that scripture more than 1,500 years later}
Patrick j miron's mis-use of scripture is notable-
romans 8;14-16-The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God.
2Cor.11:13 to 15 “For such men are false apostles,
[pjm-NOTE:
There can logically only be One Truth per precise issue.
What are the odds that the truth didn’t happen for 1, 500 YEARS after the Bible had been written?]
deceitful workmen,
disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
And no wonder,
for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
So it is not strange if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
[Perhaps unknowingly]
Their end will correspond to their deeds.”
[pjm-NOTE:
There can logically only be One Truth per precise issue.
What are the odds that the truth didn’t happen for 1, 500 YEARS after the Bible had been written?]
deceitful workmen,
disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
And no wonder,
for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
So it is not strange if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
[Perhaps unknowingly]
Their end will correspond to their deeds.”
The Bible never infers that that any saints, living or dead, sympathize with us more than God does. … This is a irrelevant observation.
Paul speaks directly to and about those he understands are doing all that is required to become saints. He praises there example and ask others to emulate them.
Catholics do not so much prayer to Saints [as THROUGH them to God],
Paul speaks directly to and about those he understands are doing all that is required to become saints. He praises there example and ask others to emulate them.
Catholics do not so much prayer to Saints [as THROUGH them to God],
NOT because they are more sympathetic than God;
No, we
No, we
Catholics pray THROUGH (saints)
them because
they STAND IN
THE VERY PRESENCE OF GOD,
Patrick j miron delusional belief #2832
---------------------and then add to our prayers, to
Patrick j miron delusional belief #2832
---------------------and then add to our prayers, to
there own on our behalf.]-----------------------
Gee i wonder why that's not really in the bible-- scripture that they "ADD" our prayers to their prayers"
oh wait let's re- interpret the bible scripture to our inching ears
ED- note
oh wait let's re- interpret the bible scripture to our inching ears
Heb. 12: 1 “Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, [SAINTS in heaven] let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.”
Tob.12: 15 “I am Raphael, one of the seven holy [Arch] angels [Saints and Angels are considered here to be of similar class] who present the prayers of the saints and enter into the presence of the glory of the Holy One."
2 Tim. 1: 16-18 Paul Prays for the dead: 16 May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me-- may the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that Day--and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus.”
1Mac.12:11 “We therefore remember you constantly on every occasion, both in our feasts and on other appropriate days, at the sacrifices which we offer and in our prayers, as it is right and proper to remember brethren”
Christ Himself tells us to whom we should pray.
Matt.7:7-8 “Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
Do Protestants Believe in the Saints ? Yes BUT, not the same understanding of the term as Catholics have.
WHY don’t Protestants pray to saints? … Because the bible tells us not too [“because they are idols.”]
“To answer the Catholic argument that “saints do answer prayers” with miracles, we must respond that spiritual manifestations [including miracles] can come from two different places: God, or the Devil and his demons.” …
Patrick j Miron delusional opinion #1,289
THIS FRIENDS IS A SPIRITUAL IMPOSSIBILITY. JUST AS GOD CANNOT CAUSE EVIL DIRECTLY; SATAN IS LIMITED BY GOD IN WHAT HE CAN accomplish IN GOD’S NAME.
Patrick j Miron delusional opinion #1,289
THIS FRIENDS IS A SPIRITUAL IMPOSSIBILITY. JUST AS GOD CANNOT CAUSE EVIL DIRECTLY; SATAN IS LIMITED BY GOD IN WHAT HE CAN accomplish IN GOD’S NAME.
"And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods." —Exodus 7:10-12
patrick j miron delusional opinion #787
While Satan can cause UNNATURAL phenomenon to happen;
he cannot cause good to happen
in order to deceive those who are and strive to be good.;
which is the point missed by our Brother Thomas …
God’s Saints always and every time who have miracles performed THROUGH THEM BY GOD, always and every time do so for a good. This follows the example set by Christ Himself while He was on earth.
which is the point missed by our Brother Thomas …
God’s Saints always and every time who have miracles performed THROUGH THEM BY GOD, always and every time do so for a good. This follows the example set by Christ Himself while He was on earth.
Matt. 10: 1-8 “And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity. The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zeb'edee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; Simon the Cananaean, and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, "Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And preach as you go, saying, `The kingdom of heaven is at hand.' Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.”
These same powers and authority granted to the Apostles continue to flow through His one Church in order to fulfill God’s mandate to “teach the whole world” Mt. 28:19-20. …John 17: 18-19 “As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. [WITH MY GODLY POWERS AND AUTHORITY] And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth”
We shall begin our Catholic Response; exposing “The NAKED TRUTH”.
God and truth are on the side of the only set of Faith beliefs found in the New Covenant
; for the newly “Chosen People” of His one and only Catholic Church, with His One and only One, set of faith beliefs.
FACTS: According to Patrick J Miron
1.Patrick j miron opinion # 4123
Only Peter and the CC through him have been GRANTED the “keys”
[ALL THAT IS NECESSARY for one’s own salvation]
by Jesus Himself in person…
Matt. 16:15-19
{ED note- patrick j miron seem to be in direct conflict with the scriptures}
Continuing with Patrick j miron commentary facts
{ED note- patrick j miron seem to be in direct conflict with the scriptures}
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www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A12&version...But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his.John 1:12 NKJV - But as many as received Him, to them He - Bible ...
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www.bible.ca/ef/expository-john-1-12.htmJohn 1:12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: (John 1:12, KJV). As I was ..."As Many As Received Him"
www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/Dr_Curtis.../as_many_as_received.htmHe came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe ...As Many As Received Him -John 1:12 - by Will Kinney
www.sovereignword.org/.../190-as-many-as-received-him-john-112-...In John 1:11-13 we read: "He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God ...John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to ...
www.godvine.com/bible/John/1-12John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Continuing with Patrick j miron commentary facts
2. The term “church” was first introduced by Jesus Himself in Matt. 16:18 “And I [Jesus] tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church,” [SINGULAR]
3. Therefore it is a FACT that every reference to “church and churches” contained in the Bible, must and Do reference ONLY to today’s Catholic Church. The ONLY “church” in the entire world when the bible was completely written.
{ED note- did patrick j miron completely convince you now?}
Patrick j Miron delusion commentary and lie #654
{ED note- did patrick j miron completely convince you now?}
Patrick j Miron delusion commentary and lie #654
lie--4. No where in the entire Bible, either explicitly or implicitly did God EVER approve of ANY set of teachings, or ANY “other church or Faith” other than the RCC [and the 23 branches aligned with Her]
ED- note - of the following
John said to Jesus, "Teacher, we saw someone using your name to cast out demons, ... we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him,
... a common exorcist, could be able to work a miracle in Christ's name; we may ... in which he and some of his fellow disciples were concerned, and which he ...
ED- note - of the following
Mark 9:38 "Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons ...
bible.cc/mark/9-38.htm
John said to Jesus, "Teacher, we saw someone using your name to cast out demons, ... we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him,
... a common exorcist, could be able to work a miracle in Christ's name; we may ... in which he and some of his fellow disciples were concerned, and which he ...
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Luke 9:49 "Master," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in ...
bible.cc/luke/9-49.htm
John said to Jesus, "Master, we saw someone using your name to cast out ... we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, ... we saw some one casting out demons in thy name, and we forbad him, ... 9:43-50 This prediction of Christ's sufferings was plain enough, but the disciples would not ... Whoever Is Not Against Us Is For Us
www.alfredplacechurch.org.uk/Sermons/mark50.htm
... said John, 'we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, ...
"Do not stop that man from casting our demons," Jesus said. ... So here was an anonymous man labouring in the name of Christ, a true disciple, and he ... Paul wrote these words, "It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry ...
Mark 9:39 "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a ...
bible.cc/mark/9-39.htm
But Jesus said, "Don't stop him, because no one who works a miracle in my name can ... There are men calling themselves Christians who seem to look with doubt and ... with, who might be casting out devils in his name, giving this as a reason for it; ... "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, ...These people Jesus did not condemn --christian denominations- who were applying the principles he taught..
Now -----Continuing with the Patrick j miron commentary-------------------
5. Therefore what Thomas and protestant denominations seem to have done is violate the very code of the Bible, by denial of God’s actual and real teaching, or simply not understanding them, and proliferate “faiths” designed by mortal men, based on convenience, ease of worship, and ONLY human-logic; who it appears think that they know more; or know better than Jesus Christ Himself.
The ONLY set of faith beliefs actually given by God, Inspired by God, Protected by God and warranted by Jesus Himself. Mt. 16:15-19; Mt. 28:16-20; John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19; and John 20:19-22... And in John 15 and 19 Jesus specifically transfers His Power and His Authority to His CC; and never; ever to anyone else can this be said of. “As the Father has sent ME; so to I God send YOU!”(pjm) “My Catholic] Church“. delusion #8932
The ONLY set of faith beliefs actually given by God, Inspired by God, Protected by God and warranted by Jesus Himself. Mt. 16:15-19; Mt. 28:16-20; John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19; and John 20:19-22... And in John 15 and 19 Jesus specifically transfers His Power and His Authority to His CC; and never; ever to anyone else can this be said of. “As the Father has sent ME; so to I God send YOU!”(pjm) “My Catholic] Church“. delusion #8932
6. For more than ONE THOUSAND YEARS the only Christian-“church” that existed was today’s Catholic Church.
Ed-s Note
when Patrick J Miron invents "facts" it is one way to see his "Delusional" interests in persuading the reader to swallow "this particular lie"
Ed-s Note
when Patrick J Miron invents "facts" it is one way to see his "Delusional" interests in persuading the reader to swallow "this particular lie"
ED. Note-
todays roman catholic church is not the same as the church Paul or James or math, mark or John wrote of in the bible , or Acts or that matter.
a big change was in 325 ad- when constantine took over the church.
Constantine the Great (Latin: Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus Augustus;[3] c. 27 February 272[2] – 22 May 337), also known as Constantine I or Saint Constantine,[4] was Roman Emperor from 306 to 337. Well known for being the first Roman emperor to convert to Christianity,[
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7. The NT alone provides more than One HUNDRED proofs of Only One God; Only His One set of beliefs, in and through His only One Catholic Church. And YES, I can provide the list.
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Dead Like Me- the catholic church and patrick j miron commentary--LET HIM BE ANATHEMA.”
start here
catholic church "birthed" the bible
“Naked Truth“… patrick j miron---Catholic responses to the Booklet:
“Answers to my Catholic Friends”
by Thomas F. Heinze Part 2
A Catholic reply to Protestant “[mis]- Understandings”
Part 2
“Do the Bread and Wine Become Christ Body and Blood”?
My dear friends in Christ,
Allow me to please set a platform for this part of the discussion.
I do not exaggerate one iota when I claim that this topic, while wrongly understood, is nevertheless a well thought out and formulated thesis.
all scripture is a matter of one's personal interpretation
It is draconian in nature because it attempts to place a STAKE into the very heart, body, mind and soul of the entirety of our Catholic beliefs.
If one is unable to defend this issue, of Christ “Real Presence, one is unable to defend Catholism in total.
They win; we lose! …WHY?
CCC 1324 “The Eucharist is “the source and summit of the Christian life.”
“The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it.
For in the blessed Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good of the Church, namely Christ himself, our Pasch.” [Sacrifice]
CCC 1074 “The liturgy is the summit toward which the activity of the Church is directed; it is also the font from which all her power flows.”
It is therefore the privileged place for catechizing the People of God.
“Catechesis is intrinsically linked with the whole of liturgical and sacramental activity, for it is in the sacraments, especially in the Eucharist, that Christ Jesus works in fullness for the transformation of men.”
Catholics Reply:
I shall include my comments directly under his, comments, in order to make it an easy reference to each specific point that Thomas has raised
. This is indeed a well thought out position.
all scripture is a matter of one's personal interpretation
BUT is proves clearly and without discussion that it is based ONLY on only human logic.
DElusional commentary of patrick j miron
No credit is given to Jesus as a all- Good-God; able to do ANY GOOD THING.
If in FACT, the Catholic position is correct;
then this becomes the GREATEST POSSIBLE GOOD in the entire history of the Universe
I’m finding it beneficial to keep reminding myself that Thomas too, like us is a Baptized Christian. A Brother in Christ, and that this is not a direct assault on us personally. It is evident the he loves, and in his own way is serving God.
It is also evident that my understanding of God limiting Protestant understanding is too correct.
While the arguments are well thought out, and a bit different than the normal Protestant explanation; based on
John 6: selected verses; 35-69, there clearly is lacking the depth of understanding of God’s very Nature and the precise reason for human existence and how they necessarily relate as expressed within the Bible itself. God’s basis for imposing such a penalty is::
Matt. 25: 27-29 …“So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. … For to every one who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away” All those who are “given more “ [Baptized], will be held to a far more critical evaluation by God., as the Holy Spirit is AVAILABLE to them for guidance.
1st. Cor. 11:23-29 “For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord.Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself”
Because we can safely assume that Mr. Heinze does not accept this Catholic teaching, rather than detail the specifics in detail; I will instead simply supply his arguments against and denying the reality of Christ Real Presence and then respond to each of them.
But first here is a Catholic Response to this Catholic belief and practice.
The Eucharist; explained by Catholics
I AM Catholic, by Pat Miron
Mark.12: 24“Jesus said to them, “Is not this why you are wrong, that you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God?”
catholic church "birthed" the bible
Fourth session: decree concerning the canonical scriptures:
“If anyone does not accept as sacred and canonical the aforesaid books in their entirety and with all their parts
[the 66 books of the Bible plus 12 apocryphal books, being two of Paralipomenon, two of Esdras, Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, Sophonias, two of Macabees], as they have been accustomed to be read in the Catholic Church and as they are contained in the old Latin Vulgate Edition, and knowingly and deliberately rejects the aforesaid traditions,
LET HIM BE ANATHEMA.”
“Naked Truth“… patrick j miron---Catholic responses to the Booklet:
“Answers to my Catholic Friends”
by Thomas F. Heinze Part 2
A Catholic reply to Protestant “[mis]- Understandings”
Part 2
“Do the Bread and Wine Become Christ Body and Blood”?
My dear friends in Christ,
Allow me to please set a platform for this part of the discussion.
I do not exaggerate one iota when I claim that this topic, while wrongly understood, is nevertheless a well thought out and formulated thesis.
all scripture is a matter of one's personal interpretation
It is draconian in nature because it attempts to place a STAKE into the very heart, body, mind and soul of the entirety of our Catholic beliefs.
If one is unable to defend this issue, of Christ “Real Presence, one is unable to defend Catholism in total.
They win; we lose! …WHY?
CCC 1324 “The Eucharist is “the source and summit of the Christian life.”
“The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it.
For in the blessed Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good of the Church, namely Christ himself, our Pasch.” [Sacrifice]
CCC 1074 “The liturgy is the summit toward which the activity of the Church is directed; it is also the font from which all her power flows.”
It is therefore the privileged place for catechizing the People of God.
“Catechesis is intrinsically linked with the whole of liturgical and sacramental activity, for it is in the sacraments, especially in the Eucharist, that Christ Jesus works in fullness for the transformation of men.”
Catholics Reply:
I shall include my comments directly under his, comments, in order to make it an easy reference to each specific point that Thomas has raised
. This is indeed a well thought out position.
all scripture is a matter of one's personal interpretation
BUT is proves clearly and without discussion that it is based ONLY on only human logic.
DElusional commentary of patrick j miron
No credit is given to Jesus as a all- Good-God; able to do ANY GOOD THING.
If in FACT, the Catholic position is correct;
then this becomes the GREATEST POSSIBLE GOOD in the entire history of the Universe
I’m finding it beneficial to keep reminding myself that Thomas too, like us is a Baptized Christian. A Brother in Christ, and that this is not a direct assault on us personally. It is evident the he loves, and in his own way is serving God.
It is also evident that my understanding of God limiting Protestant understanding is too correct.
While the arguments are well thought out, and a bit different than the normal Protestant explanation; based on
John 6: selected verses; 35-69, there clearly is lacking the depth of understanding of God’s very Nature and the precise reason for human existence and how they necessarily relate as expressed within the Bible itself. God’s basis for imposing such a penalty is::
Matt. 25: 27-29 …“So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. … For to every one who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away” All those who are “given more “ [Baptized], will be held to a far more critical evaluation by God., as the Holy Spirit is AVAILABLE to them for guidance.
1st. Cor. 11:23-29 “For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord.Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself”
Because we can safely assume that Mr. Heinze does not accept this Catholic teaching, rather than detail the specifics in detail; I will instead simply supply his arguments against and denying the reality of Christ Real Presence and then respond to each of them.
But first here is a Catholic Response to this Catholic belief and practice.
The Eucharist; explained by Catholics
Thirteenth session, canons on the most holy sacrament of the Eucharist:
· “If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it only as in a sign, or figure or force,
LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist, Canon 1).
· “If anyone says that Christ received in the Eucharist is received spiritually only and not also sacramentally and really, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Canons on the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist, Canon 8).
I AM Catholic, by Pat Miron
Mark.12: 24“Jesus said to them, “Is not this why you are wrong, that you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God?”
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